Trac font is too small for comfortable reading

[PulkoMandy]

@waddlesplash

Trac doesn’t support mobile devices properly

That’s not true. Trac’s default theme doesn’t, but it is easily replaced. I have already linked an example of that on my own Trac instance. But as nephele says, there is strong resistance against changing anything on Haiku’s Trac, so I have no hope to see this actually happen, and I will continue to be annoyed by it everytime I use Trac on my phone.

[waddlesplash]

Even if your Trac instance’s theme supports mobile, I think it’s worse by just about every other metric users have talked about here, such as font sizing, spacing, and use of font weights for contrast? So, while it’s indeed an example of that, I don’t think it would satisfy too many people to adopt that theme, at least without serious modifications.

[nephele]

@waddlesplash

I don’t think it would satisfy too many people to adopt that theme, at least without serious modifications.

The point isn’t to adopt that theme, but that the theme cannot be changed with the requirements you laid out, I can’t gather feedback to further develop the theme without having a used deployment, and I can’t deploy it on trac since you wanted it reverted (even if the light mode would not have been touched)

I could do only the dark mode in a hacky way instead, but that is badly maintainable, and not upstreamable, and I don’t want to do it like that.

I would be willing to attempt building a Haiku theme again if there was a way to deploy it to get actual feedback from users, for example to opt-in to it as some users here suggested it.

[nephele]

@VoloDroid

That’s a bummer, do you have any screenshots saved of how it would look like?

There are some preview screenshots here (those weren’t finished though)

Haiku branding

@PulkoMandy [Bildschirmfoto 2023-12-29 um 01.37.42]

[X512]

Trac font size is fine for desktop browsers. Check your OS screen DPI scaling settings. Trac currently do not support smartphones, but it is a separate problem.

[VoloDroid]

@PulkoMandy

But as nephele says, there is strong resistance against changing anything on Haiku’s Trac, so I have no hope to see this actually happen, and I will continue to be annoyed by it everytime I use Trac on my phone.

Does Trac allow to have different themes selectable it in user’s profile? Or is the theme global per site?

[X512]

@PulkoMandy

But as nephele says, there is strong resistance against changing anything on Haiku’s Trac, so I have no hope to see this actually happen, and I will continue to be annoyed by it everytime I use Trac on my phone.

I think nobody will be against proper smartphone support if desktop version will remain the same. Changes for smartphone support should not make desktop version worse.

[VoloDroid]

@X512

Check your OS screen DPI scaling settings.

We’re going in circles

@RogFanther

But maybe you use too high a resolution, also ?

@VoloDroid

I use the default resolution of my laptop, everything else looks properly sized including this Discourse forum.

I have a 14" MacBook with 1512x982 Retina screen, but on an older MacBook Pro 15" (2015) with 1440x900 Retina the text also looks too small. If I change it by 3 points to 16px it looks perfect to my eyes. The font-family used is Verdana (I don’t have Roboto installed on my desktop machines). FWIW, here in Discourse the effective font-size is either 15px or 16px depending on a screen, and the font-family is Arial, with the line-height of 1.4 which also helps with reading.

[humdinger]

I have quite bad eyes. My system font is Noto 14px, resolution 1920x1080 on 15".
Trac’s fonts appear a tiny bit smaller than at this forum, but still very well readable. Perfect to get as much as possible on the screen when showing e.g. search results and casual reading short texts.
When I have longer texts I lean back to read, I ALT+mousewheel to zoom in, as I often do for various websites. No biggie, my left thumb rests on ALT, my right index finger on the mousewheel.
Might be derided as a crutch, but the alternative would be the same: increase the default size and I’ll use the mousewheel to zoom out when going through longer lists etc…

In other words, I don’t really care about the colour of this bikeshed.