It was not actually labeled before. lifelice labeled it afterwards, so the labeling is atleast not an indicator of why this was not fought over before.
Most of the inflamatory stuff was basically just the fallout from the claude topic.
I agree. But I also can’t just hand out invitations 
It has to be discussed first by the existing moderators.
Current moderators (not all are active): https://discuss.haiku-os.org/g/moderators
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Doh; thanks.
So that’s 20 people:
- 14 developers
- 2 Haiku Inc. staff
- 4 users
That is pretty developer-heavy.
This is not a criticism; small projects’ forums will obviously have mod teams weighted to developers; it’s natural, and I have no idea if the community is large enough to move past that phase.
I was gonna bring that up, but most of the stigma surrounding that was due to very conversational topic and large problem cause by violence on both sides, not just because of AI so ai being introduced wasn’t the best introduction and a lot of things could’ve been prevented that day but overall Ai has help us a lot with software and I think give it best task like outlining app skeleton or help port game, after we teach it haiku kits
Sometimes I feel like the one and only purpose of those slop announcements is to annoy people.
While the correct way to deal with it is still being discussed here,the next slop has already popped up.
I’m so sick of it 
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I still don’t understand what makes it slop, it ain’t a weird video or bad code and most of the code produced by AI actually ran pretty well so what make AI slop, slop? Cuz if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
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Can AI boosters not accept that not everyone wants to use or hear about LLM-generated software?
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I’m not sure why we have to have this discussion again in this topic, but the TL;DR is, because LLMs have no original thought, the new code has no author, nobody who really understands it, and as a result will be hard to maintain and understand, you basically give up agency and the possibility to fix stuff later if it goes wrong. If you maintain software long term you absolutely have to understand it, otherwise you will have no way to fix it if things go wrong.
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At least @ilfelice and @ablyss just seem enthusiastic and wanting to play around; I disagree with their choice of toys, but I can at least appreciate the enthusiasm.
And they’ve both been pretty good about mentioning their genAI use and good-natured about the folks who dislike that.
I can see an argument that, though I dislike the stuff they’re playing with and would prefer that they not, their generally positive attitude makes a contribution to the forum community.
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LLM use is mentioned in the post,but not in the title,so I first have to waste time reading the post to see that it’s trash.
Having it in the title should really be the absolute minimum,as it allows quickly sorting out stuff I don’t care about.
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We continue to throw fuel on the fire… the discussion does not even begin to follow the intentions of this topic’s proposal… we are at the crusades
“Sounds a little undemocratic…”
Personally, as a non-developer, I would be very happy for the developers (ie: experts) to decide how to deal with AI code.
We are seeing the limitations of democracy in the wider world at the moment. And those limitations are significant.
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This topic is about the forum and the forum rules however 
not about wether to accept AI code in Haiku
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Have you not been reading the posts by those developers who don’t want AI? Please do so.
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The same could be said on the opposite side: if someone did some hacking using an LLM and want to share it with other people, what is the problem? I am not a big fan of LLM neither for the same reasons that a few of you mention, but I don’t try to enforce my believes on others.
Of course, I am tired of jerks saying “you are a moron by not using IA” … but also, I am starting to be getting upset by the other side too. If you don’t like, fine. Don’t read that post and move on. But please, respect other people rights.
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I am one of those who donates money, and have done for a few years. I am a user, not a developer, and I don’t know enough about the issues to feel that my opinion counts. For that reason I am very happy to let the development team make the decisions on technical matters.
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Here we talk about how the forum should work and a proposal has been made to put an end to disputes
Literally all that I am asking for is that AI-generated software be marked, either in the category or the title.
Most of the time they brought up environmental and political reasons with the mix of economical reasons, but purely going off of code and potentiality then what do you get at because the AI can’t really do that many complex task and all of the AI apps that were shown were able to exceed or do things that haiku was struggling with that would’ve took a long time so it has helped a lot with the development of haiku though it is ever small and grown, and certain people have complied with using AI in their titles so if you don’t like AI, you can be stirred away from me. They’re not forcing you to click on it and respond.
Yeah; I would be arguing for a complete and unconditional ban in that case.
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