Do you not think those environmental reasons are important? AI is estimated to use as much energy this year as Japan.
In an earlier post you compared AI with agriculture. Were you serious? Without agriculture we wouldn’t be here. Without AI we have a greater chance of surviving climate change.
Can we please leave out the argument over the merits or lack thereof of generative AI?
This is a thread for arguing about that argument. 
I agree on this statement. Where I not agree is in the one that I quoted originally. I don’t see like everyone using LLM should be put in the same bag. There was one who started a thread in a very unpolite way and surely fit into your clasification. But I see other people just showing what they did, without any “enforcing” attitude. Not everyone should de put on the same sack. Probably we agree on that too… 
Agriculture uses more energy and water more than AI that’s an undeniable fact yes it is needed, but it still causes a lot of climate change it is both a main product and a victim of change any basic person so yes, I did say that on earlier post cause that is a real life fact and that is a true issue that needs to be addressed
I’m personally ok with the idea of a new category for this on the forum.
I’m not sure the border between AI assisted coding that will produce a kind of « toxic « code (I call it toxic meaning a bad quality code) versus a code that has been polished after several tries by the human who is using the LLM can be easily identified today.
Having a temporary category for this should test the idea between the ones who consider this is bad for the haiku ecosystem system, versus the people considering this is a good thing.
If we don’t have it, it means we will not know, but that’s my opinion of course
Note that many foundational open source projects such as Mesa, LLVM use AI-assisted code. If do blanket banning of mentioning AI-assisted code on this forum, discussion of Mesa 3D (open source OpenGL and Vulkan implementation) will become prohibited. Or even OpenGL support will be required to removed from Haiku.
Iceweasel (Firefox) also have AI-assisted commits. Does it means that Iceweasel announcements on this forum will be prohibited? And even removed from HaikuPorts?
If you fully prohibit projects with AI-assisted code it may become nearly no new software allowed to be ported and announced here.
I had no idea Iceweasel tracked that close to Firefox. Thanks for bringing it up; I’ve had to go and turn all that stuff off in Iceweasel. :-p
I mostly use LibreWolf, which removes the genAI stuff:
Note, though, that this thread is about forum policy, not haikuports policy.
Also note that this thread is very much not requesting that the stuff be banned from the forum.
Some people here are requesting complete banning of announcing any software that have AI-assisted code. Just requiring mentioning that fact of using AI-assistance or separate category is not enough for them.
For example this topic will be banned and deleted if this position will be accepted: Iceweasel: Unofficial Firefox port on HaikuDepot - #319 by 3dEyes
Personally I am fine with requiring attributing AI-assisted software on this forum, it is reasonal compromise. But I am against of fully banning announcing AI-assisted software.
Agriculture might use more resources than AI but the two are in no way comparable and it is absurd to equate them. One is essential to life; the other isn’t.
I agree. I also think that for Haiku it’s a good thing that the forum moderation is developer-heavy since it’s the developers who are investing their free time into making Haiku better. Sure, users are also spending time using Haiku and sending bug reports and so on, but the amount of effort and time invested in making Haiku better is much less than developers. My ten cents worth.
Ah, inflation.
Personally, I think that having a new category to discuss ‘AI’-assisted software might be beneficial in at least two ways.
It might become a useful place for discussing both the pros and cons of such software made for Haiku, with the participation of both ‘AI’ boosters and ‘AI’ haters, so that there will at least be the possibility of critical discussion about the potential issues in such code, and the subsequent improvement of shortcomings and removal of suspected stolen code so that the software will be safe for users.
It will allow people wishing not to see potentially vigorous discussions taking place on the topic of ‘AI’-assisted software to simply not click on threads in that category. After all, vigorous discussion can be rather draining. 
I’m so tired of these discussions, I’m not following these long threads anymore, just scroll to the end so they are marked as read. I opted for this option just to be able to silence things like this, and as it looks there doesn’t seem to be a mutual agreement on it.
It even looks like it’s turning into name calling posts where only Haiku will suffer from, developers/porters loosing motivation … not the Haiku way. 
You can do that already, can’t you?
In your preferences, under “Tracking”; add the category you want to not see posts from to “Muting” and they won’t show up in the “Latest” view and the category won’t show in the categories list.
I just tested it, and it does work (though individual topics that you’ve already established a different tracking status for will still appear).
I just re-read the whole thread, and the ratio is about 3/1 in favor with the main opponents to the idea of a category saying that their objection is that they want a complete ban instead.
So, not consensus but a decent level of agreement.
OK, so who is in charge of creating new categories?
That really is taking one for the team!
I don’t know the admin side of this forum package, but presumably anyone on the admin page at About - Haiku Community could do it if they agree that the level of agreement is sufficient.
Guys, I’ve been reading this thread and my eyes are literally bleeding. Out of pure desperation, I fed this entire discussion into Gemini just to get a summary of what’s actually going on here.
The irony is honestly incredible. People here are fighting so fiercely against the dangers of “AI slop”, but if you look at this thread from the outside, it reads exactly like an early, poorly tuned 2B-parameter LLM generating pure “Human slop”.
Just think about it:
You completely forgot the initial prompt (which was just a simple question about adding a forum category).
You started wildly hallucinating (arguing about agriculture, global warming, the definition of democracy, and code in official repos — things nobody even suggested).
You’ve been stuck in an infinite loop, repeating the exact same arguments at each other for hours without generating any new information.
The main argument against AI in this thread is that it “creates noise, ignores context, and wastes reviewers’ time.” Well, congratulations guys, you just perfectly achieved all of that without any artificial intelligence involved. 
Anyway, Gemini sends its regards. Let’s maybe just add the category (or don’t) and get back to actually porting and writing software?