Out of curiosity, what is that agreement about?
You can also use Bunny Fonts instead which are drop-in replacement for Google Fonts: About Bunny Fonts | Faster & GDPR friendly Fonts
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I set up a KVM in QEMU with Haiku and tried that, but it was a hassle or I’m not yet versed enough with OBS + the zoom plugin. Then decided it will be too much for the preview anyway.
I’ll have another shot after the conf next week though.
It would be awesome however if BeScreenCapture would support that 
There’s also a weird gfx issue when using BDirectWindow with my integrated Intel Xe graphics where the video is color shifted…
cool thanks, done:)
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I hope I´m not being seem as one of the negative vibes you mention .
Just to add to that part about the illustration, please please include a good text describing things. For people with different backgrounds, sometimes something that is obvious to you is not to them ( us ) .
Concerning the comment about nobody taking the time, clearly labeled links “What is SEN” , “How SEN can help you” or something like that go a long way to keep people interested.
For starters : as of now, I get the idea that SEN is a kind of Microsoft OneNote for Haiku . Right ? Wrong ?
Oh, just to add : maybe a mention of that it takes advantage of Haiku´s unique strenghts , with links to Haiku homepage would also be nice ? Like, something that explains the benefits of the attributes in the filesystem ?
If you want to get it to a conference soon, I would suggest go for the Clean , Clear & Simple look. If the site gets the message across, you can always add the blinking lights later … 
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just found out why WebPositive won’t render my CSS at at all:
:0:0: Did not parse stylesheet at 'styles/main.css' because non CSS MIME types are not allowed in strict mode.
couldn’t find any helpful info so far, ppl just upgraded their dev tools or cleared the browser cache, but what’s the actual issue?
Also, I cannot turn off strict mode.
:0:0: Unrecognized Content-Security-Policy directive 'manifest-src'.
Is this an issue? Where is that directive included? (it’s not coming from my page)
Nephele sounds only aggressive, but he is very helpfull and a good friend if you need one!
He only sounds kind of wierd sometimes! Sorry Nephele…
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You should try to explain SEN what it does and what is great about it…
I did’nt get it until now!
I think it is all about BeOs it’s attributes which is unique…
But what is new or very different to use SEN?
Text descriptions are definitely useful, however there is a “Why SEN?” and the captions explain what each feature does (e.g. “no tools required, semantic links, dynamic relations,…”.
Will add them when extending the page…
For starters : as of now, I get the idea that SEN is a kind of Microsoft OneNote for Haiku . Right ? Wrong ?
Ouch, that hurts;-)
OneNote is just a bad imitation of linked note taking tools.
SEN is not a tool but an infrastructure. It’s more like Microsoft tried with WinFS but failed, over 10 years after BeOS successfully implemented BFS and had it working up to the UI layer.
I’m “just” adding relations and make extensive use of the already provided metadata/fs attribute infrastructure and query API.
SEN uses files and fs attributes for everything, so also relations can be represented as files, which has the benefit of better alignment with the system and integration into the existing infrastrucure and API.
This allows me to display relations with their properties as “files” with propertes in the Tracker, using the familiar “Details” column listview.
Also, this way, relations can be simply used as stable semantic links (as mentioned on the web site) and “deep links” into e.g. documents (pointing to a specific page, allowing the user to open the PDF and dircectly jump there) or video files (timecode).
sounds like I got it the wrong way, I was also not feeling well the last 2 weeks so I might have been over sensitive.
@nephele let’s grab a beer / fine Austrian vine some time and chat about Haiku and the world:=)
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That’s fine… If i come off as agressive pointing it out is fine, otherwise I can’t learn to improve my communication…
Heh, sure. I hope you are somewhere in Europe, that would be doable for traveling.
I think this means that the HTTP server did not use “text/css” for it’s response… but checking with Safari the response actually IS
“Content-Type: text/css charset=utf-8”
Maybe Webpositive for some reason send a different Accept: header in it’s request? safari used “Accept: text/css,/;q=0.9”
Anyhow, maybe you can check your server logs if this is acurate or not (if it send a text/css mimetype) but in the end this is probably a bug that WebPositive needs to fix. Or maybe this ment something else entirely
Some stackoverflow posts also suggest this might be an issue if a css file is not found for some reason, and it then gets a text/html error document.
Would be darn good to get the webinspector working, heh. 
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Like the style of the website, but the animations need to be bigger for better readability and you should have some explaining text, for people who are new to the concept.
PS
When will be able to try it for ourselves, do you have plan for Integration into Haiku for R1b6?
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Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it, and I agree, the website needs more work.
I’ll adapt the desktop version layout to match the mobile one, aligning feature tabs vertically and attaching a bigger description box on the side.
I’ll add an introductory scroll-over illustration that evolves from a hand-drawn knowledge graph into a screenshot of SEN in action.
Then I’ll take it from there.
Please keep those survey results coming, it really helps me to shape the next steps of SEN!
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I love the whole idea of SEN. Nice to see it getting a website.
I’d love to see a release and also converters for e.g. ID3 to SEN and back, thunderbird to SEN and back and stuff like that.
Will it have a facility to e.g. double click an artist and show all their songs or albums? I can imagine that you might want to have a directory structure for accessing semantic links that is completely independent of the underlying files, e.g. music->(artists, albums, tracks, playlists)-> …
Artists you might want to show all tracks or show or albums, or show all playlists they appear in etc.
Obviously a music collection is just one application but I thought it a reasonable example
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A resonable case would be medical instruments database!
(forgot my laptop charger at the conference but my new and better one should arrive today, so I’m taking a bit of a forced screen break;-)
Thanks for your encouraging words! I had this in the back of my mind since the old BeOS days, and 20 years later, desktops still don’t support the way we think and work. Shame on Apple (not to mention Microsoft, but I never expected them to step up on their failed WinFS/Longhorn debable).
Much more info and even some documentation to come for the summer release, but to answer your questions:
First, generally, with SEN you can build an ontology based simply on native FileTypes. Also relations are modeled as file types, with the attributes representing relation properties.
I will ship the tech preview with some demo use cases and default ontologies to show the breadth of applications possible without coding or plugin hunting, just install the suitable Haiku package and you’re done.
- your example fits the basic use of SEN perfectly. I have done the same for books and authors. Relations can be generated by SEN plugins (e.g. OpenLibrary / MusicBrainz etc. lookup) or manually (working on that now).
- @brunobastardi I would not endorse this, as neither Haiku nor SEN fulfill even the most basic requirements for medical work, and there are very strict regulations around medical software, for good reasons.
SEN and Haiku are really for personal use. So if you really want to go in that direction, you could use it for personal research and health management, like keeping record of your medication, symptoms and diseases. Linking relevant papers, books or articles to your personal health topics etc. - speaking of a database - yes, you can imagine SEN like the extension of BFS into a relational database that is exposed as a knowledge graph. So all use cases where you need to work with a linked dataset on your personal desktop would be a good fit for SEN.
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My biggest concern about SEN is that I tend to store this sort of stuff on a Linux file server and I suspect it wont export/import to other systems very well. Would it be possible to work with e.g. xattr on NFS? I guess all BFS performance benefits would be lost but at least it would make it possible to back up the data.
The difference is that BFS attributes are typed, and that attributes on some linux filesystems have a maximum length, while they do not on Haiku, and that querries don’t work over NFS. (I guess technnically an extension to NFS could be developed with an additional server component, but i don’t know of anything like that)
The archlinux wiki also sais that linux imposes 64KB limit for all attributes, i don’t know if that is acurate: Extended attributes - ArchWiki
But I think for SEN this might not be that much of a problem.
Red hat also mentions that XFS can, similarily to BFS, include small xattrs in the inode itself to improve access time. Haiku uses this same mechanism with HVIF to load the icon for a file in the same access as the file itself (This makes tracker viewing files in a directory very efficient for files with icons), I’m not sure if SEN attributes are small enough for this aswell.
It should be possible to sync this stuff over nfs however if your server has a filesystem you control
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Last time I checked (but it was quite a few years ago), the NFS implementation on Linux did not support xattrs at all (but I think the one in Solaris did). Did that change since then? If xattrs are supported, at least your data would be stored correctly, even if queries can’t be used. (there is the additional problem that BFS attributes are typed, and the type needs to converted to some other format, likely inlined together with the attribute name or data).
Another option would be Haiku’s own netfs, but that is not seeing much active development lately and would not really solve the problem of accessing files from another platform.
same here, using a little ugreen NAS + TrueNAS, connected to Haiku via NFSv4p.
This is a tricky and sad situation, and I’ve not found a native solution so far.
Mind you, SEN is just starting out from a prototype stage, and here I focus on the local system.
The solution I want to implement is to have “remote relations” which connect a local proxy (shadow) file to its remote representation.
The main issue is keeping semantic links stable across system or network boundaries. I guess I will have to use an inotify watch on selected folders you need for your work.
I just started a wiki to document my Todos for the tech preview, for the curious it’s here: