My controversial take on this is people should stop crying about AI that ball is already rolling down the Hill at full speed I think the best thing to do is to learn how to work with it or how to adapt to a world that’s run by it because it’s going to be here it’s going to take over everything whether anybody asked for it or not or do something for an example like figure out how AI could help you assist with your artwork instead of trying about how it’s going to take profits away from you
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Now replace all instances of AI with tulips in your post…
I don’t think this is really related to Haiku. why post it here?
Edit: also, I don’t know if this is intential but you’ve used a falacy in your post where you attack a ficticious argument of the other side (in this case about lost profits)… nobody in this forum complained about lost profits about AI
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Oh my bad I’ll get rid of it that is if I can I don’t think I’m allowed to delete thread sorry or I’ll move it over to uncategorized but basically what I’m trying to say is not anyone particularly on this form but general people who do like commissions for art and stuff don’t like it or I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet complain about it for that particular reason
great, now this forum is popular enough to have its own spam about ai or politics or whatever else is there completely unrelated to haiku
Nah that’s just me some times a feel to need to vent about things and I end up posting it in the wrong place and I end up getting in trouble for it I’m gonna try to reframe from doing that now on I be like that some times
its never wrong to post on mastodon, much better than a dedicated to the specific software forum like this one
That’s where I probably should have kept it
Okay, chill out, dudes. The post is categorized as Off-topic, which is defined as:
Off-Topic
Topics not directly related to Haiku
If we are going to be like Wikipedia’s “Notability Police” we might as well start by getting rid of the off-topic category.
But, to your point, @whitepaperkat. I’m old enough to have lived through a lot of technology scares.
“Calculators will prevent kids from learning math!” It didn’t. It freed them from doing dumb, routine calculations and allowed them to learn the underlying principles. Calculators used to be banned from classrooms. Now they are required.
“Spreadsheets will put accountants out of business!” It didn’t. Accountants still make a steady living, and they love Excel so much they would marry it if the Supreme Court gave its approval.
“Email will put the postal services out of business!” It pretty much did. Does anybody mourn it? The guy who used to deliver the mail now delivers Amazon parcels.
And now, “AI will put programmers/artists/writers out of business!”. No, it won’t. But it will probably change the way they work.
I’m starting to see reports that not a single AI startup is making a profit yet. Which means that the venture capitalists will start closing their wallets soon and the AI bubble will burst. AI isn’t going away, but it is still a separate “thing”, a separate program that doesn’t integrate with anything else.
When I first started with computers, you bought a word processor. And then you bought a spell-checker, a different program from a different company. It was a separate “thing”. That’s not gonna fly today.
Once someone figures out how to integrate AI so well in the rest of the computing world that you forget it is there, you will have a winner.
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Did calculators,spreadsheets or emails hurt or attack anyone?
AI scrapers do - There are many good articles about that,one of them I just read a few hours ago.
I grew up with the good old internet,built my first embarassing website on a freehoster,made my first friendships in some forums.
It makes me sad to see that infrastructure - especially some nice little communities without endless money - attacked by what’s literally a DDoS from AI companies.
My own servers also get attacked,but for now I’m still managing the load,successfully blocking a large part of the offenders (but not all,of course).
I hope these unethical censored run out of money rather sooner than later,but for many websites it may be too late already.
Now I didn’t even mention the false information you get from directly using such services,and that it takes away users that could provide new input from communities such as forums.
I’m only talking about the collateral damage from the pure existence of AI.
I’m not using any AI crap,nor will I ever do,and I don’t care about the personal benefits it could possibly bring (or not) knowing that it destroys what generations have carefully built up over the last few decades.
Not everything about the modern internet is great,in fact I really miss the simpler older websites,but the internet is still too valuable to be killed by AI.
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Correct. But that’s what calculators do… Calculations. Dumb, boring calculations. I’m not sure kids learn the underlying principles just because they have a calculator in their phone or their watch, though.
Again, that’s what computers do. Calculations. Of course accountants love spreadsheets. Boring. Extremely boring.
In a way, I do. Not because it was convenient, but because kids lack basic orthography skills nowadays. Not to mention a letter was way more personal than any email.
It won’t. Artists and writers put their soul in their work. AI has no such a thing, and never will.
But I can easily imagine hordes of lazy students asking a dumb AI to do their homework, then directly copy/paste the first answer they get (which, most probably, won’t even compile, let alone be even remotely close to be correct). Such students won’t go far that way, sure, but I feel for their tutors having to deal with piles of crap “homework”, courtesy of AI.
I had to write my own, basic word processor until I could get a better one for free. Same for a plotting program, etc. I learnt a lot in the process. Nobody would learn that way today.
I do not think AI is a serious threat, simply because it is dumb, even though it gives syntactically correct answers. I actually think “smart” phones (aka “dumb makers”) is a way more serious threat. People love their phones and would suffer a withdrawal from not being able to use them for one hour. That is a threat.
Anyway, I have no intention to get involved in yet another “AI war”. I actually think “editor wars” were way more fun, albeit equally pointless. But at least they were fun for a while. Now most people use Visual Studio Code (the worst IDE ever, complete with excessive amounts of spyware), and there is no fun fighting its lovers.
Some times I feel like an old aphorism in my culture, loosely translated as “every last year a better year” has some truth in it…
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I agree with you! My term for such wasteful programs is simply “artificial idiots”… I have yet to have a good experience with AI. I disable all AI features as possible…waiting on a updated and better doc to remove or disable AI in Win 11 and to include Android OS.
AI has been around since the 70s as someone’s pet project (or was it in the 60s?), which has grown over the decades. Now, the computer industry uses it as a catch phrase to distract consumers of what they ARE NOT getting…(you know the rest of the story…).
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AI will probably kill off the concept of “homework”. Students will learn everything in the classroom and have slightly longer classes. For most people, this will be 100% a good thing.
People are babbling frequently on Haiku-os about AI. Dude makes one post in OFF TOPIC and thought police to the rescue. Hey, I got it. Let’s use AI to figure out a way to destroy AI. That way, we’ll have to think for ourselves again.
I won’t join in this discussion, and will merely leave you with a quote:
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather (1996)
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AI by design cannot live without natural intelligence. If AI models are trained exclusively on data produced by AI, the level of discrepancy between its predictions and the reality grows unlimited.
This means:
- AI will never be interested in beating mankind (even if it is truly “intelligent” and able to draw rational conclusions).
- In case AI will kill all natural intelligence on earth, it will dead itself quite quickly.
It would mean that if your sources were accurate. What do you base your opinion on?
https://www.math.md/imcs60/combined_IMCS_v7_with_preface.pdf, page 7.
The conclusions drawn are primarily based on acknowledgement that the term “Artificial Intelligence” actually means (at least in present) “Artificial Plagiarism” with all consequences of that fact.
The arguments presented here are based purely on current technology levels. Future misapplications of tech are not even considered. (Apologies if the screenshot is blurry. I posted a lossless PNG but the forum stored it as a lossy JPEG.)
For a more timeless and more likely accurate view, the first 3 chapters of the book of Genesis in either a Christian Bible or a Jewish Torah that it was commandeered from centuries ago.
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A quote from Voltaire: “God created man in His own image, then man returned the favor.”
The arguments are not presented there, it is just abstract. More information (as mentioned) was in the talk of Dan Cristea, a member of Romanian Academy of Sciences, whose research is in this area.
Of course, technology progresses, and new implementations of AI are to be revealed. My point is: AI “by design” cannot be intelligent. This means, if the approach to AI will not be radically changed (in good), no true “intelligence” will arise. I also wrote some papers about it, not in English however.
When we read in Holy Scriptures that “God created man in his own image”, this is true, I speak strictly to capability of man to use natural intelligence as his Creator. But nothing says human can repeat something similar and create Artificial Intelligence where “intelligence” is understood in usual sense of the word.
EDIT: We agree in that human are capable to use natural intelligence. But nothing says human can create Artificial Intelligence where “intelligence” is understood in usual sense of the word.
Please refrain from posts about religion (and politics, etc).