The list simply does not serve it’s purpose.
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Thank you PulkoMandy,
first for your work on Haiku, and second for being a voice of reason.
You do not have to like Linuxfoundation, you do not have to like the companies involved,
but Micro$hit bad, Micro$hit Member of LF, ergo LF evil is a tad bit simplistic, isn’t it?
I use Linux since 1997, (first time was 1995), i am a (mostly Linux) sysadmin for 25+ years now.
I really like systemd.
- I like it because i do not have to write different init files for every distro.
- I like journald, i like the filtering, -b, -u, -S …
- I like the sandboxing for security
- i like @units for instances
It hasn’t eaten my data, it hasn’t zombified my system, it does not need Gigabytes of memory, it (mostly) just works.
Is it perfect, no, of course not, what software is (beside TeX ;), of course)
I think the semi regularly changing “Predictable Interface Names” are a bad idea, not everything is perfect, yes Linux has some many cooks syndrom sometimes, changes audio layers every other week …
If you dont like systemd, dont use it, there are a lot oft distros without it, but dont cry if you have to patch gnome or kde or write your own init files.
Back to Haiku, i love it.
I really like this forum, but the Linux hatred of some people does get on my nerves sometimes.
As a linux user i like the Haiku Package management, i wish Linux had integrated Attribute Support like Haiku
Lets talk about Haiku on this forum, not Linux.
Lets enjoy Haiku, it is almost at a point where it can be a daily driver for me, i would love that, still missing ist disk enryption and multi monitor support.
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Hi Pap,
please state reasons, don’t imply something sinister.
I’m not quite sure why Haiku is not welcomed, but I certainly see why Debian isn’t (ancient Debian user here - in fact I was involved as a packager as well, and I left for a reason).
This helps not one, did you leave Debian because of satanic rituals, or because you did not like endless discussions? Have you been mocked, harrased or ignored. Had it anything to do with LinuxFoundation and big companies?
If you left Debian for a reason, and it has something to do with this discussion and LinuxFoundation, then state that reason, or don’t mention it
No, I wasn’t “mocked”, harassed, or “ignored”. But I won’t say more. I’m sorry, I refuse to reply, especially when asked in such a unacceptable sarcastic way. It’s a long story anyway, and I don’t think you are interested, you were just being ironic. Take it as you will. I don’t care.
Yes, I was ironic and maybe a bit harsh, but you brought this into the discussion.
Had someone asked you, why did you leave Debian? And you had replied, I had my reasons and do not want to elaborate, it would be different.
My answer was not against you as a person, how could it, I don’t know you, but against argumenting with vague accusations
Sorry if I hurt you
You didn’t hurt me, but apologies accepted.
Why I left Debian is a long story, it was a process and didn’t happen in one day, Of course it wasn’t because of… satanic rituals. 
It is also an old story, at least 16 years old in fact, and I find it rather inappropriate to unearth it. I actually left without hard feelings, and explaining details will probably make it sound like drama, which it certainly wasn’t.
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Now that’s something I will gladly agree with you. Even more so if you stick an “La” in front of it.
I’m not going to argue about systemd again. Countless of threads all over the web discussed this again and again for a very long time already. If you like it, by all means use it. I don’t, and whenever I have to use GNU/Linux, I have systemd-free options, some of them excellent, actually - for Linux today’s standards, that is.
And no, I won’t “cry” about the need of patching KDE, or even worse Gnome, for the simple reason I never used any of them since really ancient versions. However even FreeBSD, where systemd is out of question, do have those, and never saw a big talk about the need of patching them in the forums.
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In striking contrast to multimedia, the state of Linux desktop can be summarized in one fact: GNOME does not fully support drag-and-drop anymore.
It’s kinda hilarious but very sad at the same time.
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To be fair, though, that message is from 6 years ago. Are you saying it still hasn’t been fixed?
Gnome is just one of the desktop environments you can use. And I would argue it’s easily the worst ever. Haiku, on the other hand, has one desktop which works great, and looks great in its default configuration. it is also highly customizable.
On my machine drag-and-drop in File Roller does not work at all. Nothing happens if you try to drag something.
You got it right. In fact, today marks its 7-year anniversary, yet the fix is not even on the horizon.
Luckily we would never have tickets open that long 
I don’t remember Haiku breaking core features that used to work in the past.
In GNOME’s defense X11 has been an albatross around Desktop Linux’s neck for decades with several would-be replacements coming and going while X11 keeps getting more and more extensions added to it to patch over its deficiencies.
They’ve made a concerted effort to replace X11 with Wayland and this bug represents the growing pains of that effort. Drag&drop not working is embarrassing but the big picture is that once the transition is complete they’ll finally be able to put X11 out to pasture (unless a ragtag group of politically-right oriented developers can succeed in stymying the replacement a while longer).
Wayland has been wildly successful compared to some previous attempts to replace X11 that died on the vine before ever getting to Wayland’s current level of adoption and functionality.
I miss the time when the projects were evaluated by their technical merits, instead of pointing to the political views of the people behind.
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Haiku is the only OS I’ve seen where Wayland applications do actually work (even if the integration with the OS isn’t that great here either).
All friends using Linux use X11,either because Wayland breaks stuff,is slow as hell or doesn’t start to the desktop at all.
And on OpenIndiana (Solaris fork),I also use X11 because nothing else exists there,and X11 is working great.
That being said,I really hope the project to keep X11 alive will be successful.
I don’t care about the political standpoints of its developers,but I do care if a technically worse,somehow broken alternative is being forced on me.
Also I’m pretty sure it’s totally possible to make Drag&Drop work on X11 (given anyone cares),I mean it even used to work in the past,then they broke it and didn’t revert the commit that broke it.
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I’m sorry, but could you two take your flaming somewhere else?
How is this ontopic for “why haiku?”
It is clear that neither project has been judged by it’s technical merrits here. X11 has fundamental unfixable flaws, and no fork will change that.
One is the consequence of the other.
These political views will result in complete lack of care for accessibility, for example. So, you don’t need to waste your time on the project, knowing that it will run into technical issues. Let’s save everyone some time and effort 
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For political reasons. Not because of technical merit: there’s no merit in broken desktop.
Compare to PipeWire, which immediately replaced Pulseaudio and JACK just because it’s better.
Here’s your Linux desktop: unfavorable solutions are being pushed because some corporation decided to do so.
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