Except I literally just explained why it is not. Nobody asked about it when I wrote it so why you are you trying to frame is as an attack now?
That is the main problem with your communication, you claim “I’ve never done this!” But to an outsider you clearly did. Own up to your mistakes, if you were not aware of this meaning, well that is a mistake and can be forgiven. But your personal interpretation of the phrase does not excuse the behaviour.
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Would you rather I said… get off the internet and go outside you are too hot headed right now? Because … that would have been just fine and not an insult at all. And that is exactly how I used it.
Also when used as an actual insult is will be accompanied by all sorts of explicitness I’m sure… and no such thing came from me. As always context is important.
Yes, context is important. And the phrase you used before makes this really hard to see it as anything other than an insult.
I don’t think KapiX was hotheaded in that instance, I was more baffled that you did not adress his comments at all. You did not really engage. Only “shoot back” based on a perceived attack.
Besides, you posted this 5 days after KapiX did. I don’t think any advice of “you are too much on the computer” would hold up after that time.
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Whatever.
Anyway I’ve made my point previously on those issues. And I was apparently dead wrong about STL usage in ICU… odd that nobody tried to bring that up until BANNING me is apparently the topic of the day. I’ve had about enough of this nonsense for today and do not intend to continue this further. See you all hopefully in a more positive light in other threads in the future.
If you improve your behaviour then that is the hope indeed. But we will see.
Regards
It’s not up to us to disprove your assertions. It is well known etiquette in discussion and debate circles that the one making the assertions is the one that needs to bring proof to the table.
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No need to wait, I’m not going to dig through the forum for stuff like that. But recently your exchange with Kapix comes to my mind. Not exactly pleasant or constructive.
Anyway, please note that I’m not in favour of you being banned (not that I have any influence on that) . These discussions are so unnecessary, I really hope we find a way to avoid them in the future. It’s not about criticism, criticism is absolutely necessary, even if it is harsh sometimes. But it`s got to be constructive and detailed. As an example, if you strongly feel that ICU is bloated (whatever that means exactly) and you want to convince the developers you need to provide exact details, or even better provide patches as proof of concept that library XY is better for the job. Otherwise it’s just an opinion that is repeated, frustration on all sides piles up and the result is threads like this.
Let’s all assume that we have good intentions and want to bring the project forward. It’s not going to be ideal at all times but maybe we can all do better than it is now.
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As far as I am aware I have not even come close to breaking any forum rules. Perhaps I have ruffled feathers … People need to chill though. People can be wrong… Any of us and that is a bad reason to get irritated at anyone.
I agree if this were posted in the mailing lists…however it was not.
I didn’t say it was … It is a mutual obligation to converse peaceably rather than argue or publicly take a dump on someone. I’ve seen several people PERSONALLY attack me in this thread when I have NEVER done that to them. And they have done so quite severely and brazenly.
Perhaps it does read that way to many, if so I apologize to @KapiX for the disagreement and misunderstanding. But the issue remains that even then…why am I singled out?
It’s not like anyone else provided any greater level of proof or anything for their claims. I have very rarely posted in mailing list or bug tracker tickets without hard data. That’s all there is to it.
Ok, now that cb88 has had a chance to read the discussion here, consider it for a while, and decided to reply here to double down on being annoying, you now have my +1 vote for a ban. I have no hope that your communication style will improve and anything positive will result from these interactions.
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Why? I don’t see any difference between the forum and the mailing list in that regard. Well, there is probably a difference in that the mailing list is more technical and the discussions on the forum are often more casual. But if you are making technical claims, even here on the forum, you’ve got to back them up with facts, if you want to contribute to the project in a positive way.
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Does someone have to back them up? If they want to be more convincing, maybe. If they want to just discuss something, not necessarily. If they want to abide by the rules of the forum, not at all.
I’m really failing to see the actual issue with anyone’s behavior that’s not a result of this forum topic. Before this, I’d be hard pressed to find anything remotely close to an issue.
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It’s very “he said, she said” in this thread and none of it really seems very heavy or truly insulting or offensive on any side, as far as I see. More “a bit annoying” rather than insulting or offensive. Sorry to those that feel the other way.
The forum is a discussion place where people express differing views and exchange ideas and news. It’s the whole point. In any discussion some people can disagree, some can annoy each other. C’est la vie. Closing some people out over being a bit annoying to some other people seems like the opposite of what I think the forum is about, personally.
If this was, say, a conference open discussion session, I don’t think anyone would be physically removed from the room unless they were being aggressive, insulting or prejudiced. There are normally rules about it. Someone kicked out because of their opinions or for the manner in which they put them forth would be justified in feeling that they had been treated unfairly, assuming they had not broken those rules.
On the other hand, it would be fair to say, during the discussion, “hey, can we stop discussing this point and get back to the main topic”. Or to ignore someone who persists on a point and move the discussion past it. But this thread is not akin to that.
I know the forum is not quite the same thing as a conference but I also think it is a fair analogy.
My vote is that we close the thread and forget about this.
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I regret that I have but one upvote to give you.
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That is exactly the difference, also historically developers have not had development discussions here. Only posted updates etc… and “contribute to the project” what would that entail submit patches for instance removing ICU and replacing it with something else … well I’d agree there but I did no such thing.
I vote the same.
@humdinger can we close this thread?
Nobody replied for 24 hours. You don’t need to close the thread, just leave it alone.
Edit: Not trying to be rude, but that’s just the best policy when it comes to threads that served their purpose. Also, it’s better for the author to ask for a thread to be closed.
But yeah, I think everyone said their piece and the thread was dormant enough 
I agree with this. It doesn’t seem like there will be improvements in behaviour in the future based on the last discussions here.