An alternative to LibreOffice?

I know Libre Office well and it has always, just sucked (sorry to any fans) compared to MS Office. Is there any alternatives planned for Haiku that also has compatibility with Microsoft formats?

Also not a fan of how HUGE the buttons appear on my Haiku computers without a way to reduce the sizes.

There is one broken native spreadsheet app, but other than that there are no concrete plans.

You can try Calligra from kde: https://calligra.org

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I also read about this office suite that was once native to BeOS and I think it would be a great idea to revive it. It would be native, original and wouldn’t be dependent on ports from Linux software.

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OnlyOffice.

Also, Google Docs and/or /Microsoft 365 (using compatible web browser).

NOTE: VMs are another useful tool for specific commercial apps mainly on MacOS/Windows/etc that you remote into and use from within Haiku. Saves on licenses, keys, and support.. :thinking:

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Something must be wrong with the LibreOffice installation on your screenshot.
I agree with you that it’s absolutely awful,looks like a GTK applications with those oversized touchy buttons :face_vomiting:
Normally,LibreOffice on Haiku uses Qt for UI and looks almost native due to the great Qt bindings.
Just checked on my Haiku computer after installing all updates,it still looks fine here,with smaller buttons and everything in Haiku style as if it were a native application.

If you’re looking for alternatives,Calligra is the only application I know for Haiku.
If cloud stuff is okay for you,have a look at Cryptpad (open-source and encrypted) or Proton Docs (proprietary but encrypted),never trust Google or Micro$oft with your data.

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If you absolutely hate LibreOffice you can try Joeffice suite, it’s a java open source office suite. I downloaded the zip file with their binaries, and installed OpenJdk18. you can try to build it from source also.

Edit: I was able to use it with OpenJDK 11 thru OpenJDK22

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This is not a screenshot of the LibreOffice. It looks more like an AbiWord?

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Yep, this is definitely AbiWord.

Who bothers to write such a posting full of complaints like the OP and doesn’t even know which program they’re talking about? Sometimes I really wonder …

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Good catch! I had the exact same problem trying to run AbiWord in a VM, couple of years ago. At the time I blamed Gtk, but other apps look more or less the way they should on Haiku (if out of place).

Exactly. Anybody who thinks LibreOffice “sucks” definitely doesn’t know it well.

Aside from the use of macros, LibreOffice competes well with MS Office. Calc is as good as Excel, and Write is just as good as Word (which has never been great).

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This is a well known fact that last good version of Word was for DOS… :laughing:

I use LibreOffice almost exclusively but I would refrain from overselling it. It is certainly not as good as Excel whenever you need to work on big spreadsheets (thousands, or ten of thousands of rows). In this specific case, LibreOffice is actually painfully slow.

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I never used LibreOffice for large spreadsheets, so I simply believe you about the slowness.

But that doesn’t mean LibreOffice is bad software. For example it can handle many file formats. I use it to write static webpages (HTML).

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Indeed, and I never said that. It is very good software but saying Calc is as good as Excel is simply not true for my business use case. For my home/personal use, its does 100% the job.

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It sounds as though you are trying to use a spreadsheet for a task that would be better handled by a database program.

Spreadsheets don’t just contain data; they also contain formulae (where needed) in every cell. This works fine when you don’t have millions of cells, but not well when you do. It’s extremely inefficient.

I suspect that MS designed Excel to process large datasets quickly because of the limitations of Access.

But I will rephrase my statement. “When trying to use a spreadsheet for a task that would be better handled by a database, Excel is faster than Calc (the LibreOffice spreadsheet). In other respects, Calc works just as well”.

You recognize good sofware by the fact that it allows its users to go further than the developers could ever have anticipated. Excel is one such thing. LibreOffice, in this case, is not. There are other things it does great, for example the CSV import is heavily configurable and can be used both from file input and from copy paste.

Copying a table from an HTML table in a webpage and pasting it in a spreadsheet for some quick analysis has its uses.

So, they just cover different aspects of what an office suite can do, and what it does well or badly. And so, migrating from one to the other when you have an use case heavily optimized for one, does not always work.

Unfortunately in this benchmark, there are few people migrating large, complex documents from LibreOffice to MS Office to tell you how bad things get mangled. So we only get to know about the other direction.

Quattro Pro had a few strong use cases. Excel was moreso a business standard but not widely for most startup non-profits (before the affordable cost subscription plan or cloud services). I used Lotus SmartSuite at one center long ago so Lotus 1-2-3 was popular to other business users.

One shoe does not fit all in every use case. So, users can just find what they want to use and do the task from that point. LibreOffice has many features, but the current port is not in a professional use condition yet.

There is Google Sheets and other cloud/web-based solutions…

I am sure that you can find specialised cases in which LibreOffice Calc is worse than Excel, and other specialised cases where it is better.

I have had a computer on my desk with a spreadsheet on it since the days of the Apple II and Visicalc. That was 1983. I was an early adopter of Excel, on Windows 3, and also used a DOS version of Excel that most people have never heard of. (My brother was on the staff of an American university at the time, and had access to several exotic pieces of software.)

So I am not a newbie when it comes to spreadsheets and I have been using LibreOffice and previously OpenOffice for many years. I have never found them inferior to Excel in capability, though in the early days they were a bit rough around the edges in places.

Those who used Excel in the 90s will confirm that it was a bit rough too. In particular, printing was a nightmare, and it took years before MS sorted out that particular problem.

I believe that for most people, most of the time, Calc is just as good as Excel. If I didn’t, I would go back to Excel.

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I would like to get a copy of the Excel for DOS from you…I would love to check it out on my retro PC that runs DOS 6.22 with Win 3.11 WfW.

One thing - be aware that LibreOffice can crash (I use it under Linux, crashed under Linux).

Fortunately, it does save a recent copy of the document, when you have made changes.

That said, I very much like Apple’s “Pages” and “Numbers” - they’re simple, very quick to use, uncluttered.

If I need to rotate the page to “landscape” in LibreOffice, I need to look through all the menu entries several times, to figure out how to do this. (Sometimes I end up opening a previous document and saving it with a new name after erasing the content). Having loads and loads of buttons and options doesn’t always improve things. :wink:

-But … LibreOffice does work, it does what it needs to do.