[quote=thatguy][quote=Michel]Wow, did he know Einstein personally? Or maybe Newton?
At my uni we don’t accept printed chapters from M and D students anymore. The only printout is the examination copies of the thesis (and we’re working on that) and the final copies for the library shelf (ditto).[/quote]
[…]
Justifying the lack of a fundamental feature of a Os as far as applications is concerned is rediculous. applications aimed at doing real productive work out in the professional world must be able to make copy on stationary. this isn’t a semantical debate.[/quote]
I don’t think Michel dismissed printing in general. He just pointed out the anachronism of a university professor demanding everything in print in this day and age. I bet Michel would appreciate having printing support in Web+, too. Even if used only for PDF generation for filing purposes…
Fiction doesn’t necessarily need a friend. I’ve written plenty of short stories on MSword or Abiword. However unlike non-fiction, coming up with good ideas doesn’t come from text books or research.
True, for some science fiction, some research is a good thing but for fantasy it’s little needed.
Poetry, is another beast altogether as it usually functions almost like an abstract painting. I sometimes employ image prompts in my poetry, which are common in contests.
Since image prompts involve staring at a photo or image for inspiration, it can be useful to have a text editor that doesn’t require me to flip between two open windows in order to write my raw thoughts.
It’s often said that one man’s trash is another’s treasure, I think that saying could be applied to software.
Just because someone doesn’t find something useful, doesn’t mean that someone else won’t.
I’m not a coder. I am a writer of stories and poetry, (Novels may come later…maybe)
What I would rather have is a word processor similar to Koalawriter or Catlooking writer.
I’ve used Jarte on Windows and I loved it. It’s not open sourced though. However I saw Bean on OSX and it seems like something I would use, however I’ve never used a Mac so it would be nice if there was a simplistic, out of the way word processor that provides an ideal working environment for creativity and inspiration. (That’s what I would use.)
@Mynameisasquirrel: Those are not word processors, they really are just text editors. Pick a nice wallpaper for Haiku, open up StyledEdit and close down everything else and there you are.
I must admit that I never saw the point of the fullscreen “distraction-free” editors. When I write, I have a dozen wikipedia articles open in tabs, two or three e-books and articles in pdf format a click away, probably a dictionary, a thesaurus, a citation manager … But I write non-fiction. Using the computer as a glorified typewriter makes no sense to me but I guess for fiction writers that might be different. Different strokes for different folks.
I’m currently working on a txt2tags compatble editor that will take me into December. After that, I’ll see what I can put together for you.
These editors reminded me of “The English Editor II”. It’s similar in concept and was developed for BeOS, but it’s unfinished. Sources are available, so somebody interested could grab them:
LibreOffice is way more powerfull than those text editors… and in my opinion it would be a great addition to Haiku as an office suite. Though porting it would mean a lot of work a head. if only it didn’t use java as core…
[quote=Mynameisasquirrel]LibreOffice as with all office suites are all made with Java.
Perhaps because they are all based on OpenOffice, which was made by Oracle.[/quote]
For crying out load, not all office suites are made with java, MS office is a good example. and not all are based on OpenOffice , like Lotus Note (originally written in C++ then rewrote in java), MS Office, AppleWorks, iWork and to finish this argument OpenOffice is based on SUN’s StarOffice (which was acquired by Sun from a German company), the original software was written in C++.
FYI, OpenOffice was made by Sun MicroSystems and not by Oracle (it owns Sun, now unfortunately!). LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.
[quote=Mynameisasquirrel]Office Suites are far too heavy for my tastes. I’d rather have a well featured word processor then a huge suite of applications I’ll never need.
[/quote]
I definitely agree. I don’t have any kind of office suite at home. If I need office tools I go to the office. A pimped up styled edit would do the trick for my needs.
In both programs, a subset of the formatting codes can be entered from the menu but the bundled utilities can handle any other formatting codes you enter manually.
All three are public domain, with yab source code supplied. Test them to destruction, make your own version, take the code and use it as the foundation to build your software empire on it, whatever …
No, it’s not a word processor. But it’s a start.
Please leave your comments, suggestions and verbal abuse on the Haikuware pages for each program.
Uhh… LibreOffice is C++ you don’t need java as far as far as that goes I think think an X11 version was compiled for tiltos though I never used tiltos so dunno.
OpenOffice/LibreOffice/StarOffice only have a few java based plugins for importers/exporters etc… they are predominately written in C++ never Java.
@Premislaus: There are Markdown fanatics and there are txt2tags fanatics. If you belong to one camp, you are never going to use the other. Also there is no easy way to distinguish one kind of file from another, since they are both plain text files. I could create custom filetypes, but what happens if files are imported from other OS’s and filesystems? If there was a single program, sooner or later a user would import a markdown file while in txt2tags mode and come back to me asking why it was not generating properly.
In addition, I believe in a certain approach to Haiku. Rather than huge, bloated apps that can do everything but are impossible to maintain, I prefer to make small, light apps that do one thing and (hopefully) do it well. Like the Unix approach where you connect commands with pipes and redirects, but in GUI rather than CLI. I’ve tried to make a start on this approach by letting my apps hand over their data to Pe or StyledEdit.
And these are yab programs. If Python or Lua or Pascal ever get API access out of the box, I will investigate switching, but right now our choice is between C++ and yab. I can’t get my head around C++. I sadly confess my disability there.
But using an interpreted language like yab makes things slow. These apps of mine are already on the limit of what can be done in yab without making the user experience unreasonably sluggish. Piling on more features will make them unacceptably slow. If the real devs can duplicate these apps in C++, it might be feasible to make One App to Rule Them All.
While we are on the subject: are there other lightweight markup languages that people would like to see implemented? I don’t think Haiku needs another HTML editor, but is anyone using Textile or UDO? If I can compile the utility program, I can create a new Trope derivative relatively quickly. Or, grab the code and roll your own. Its all PD code, you have my blessings.
First, though, I promised to look into a distraction-free editor. Let’s see if that is even possible with the tools at hand.
[quote=Michel]
No, it’s not a word processor. But it’s a start.
Please leave your comments, suggestions and verbal abuse on the Haikuware pages for each program.[/quote]
Here (as you know) we’re writing the specification of the hxd (Haiku eXtensible Document) format:
in your opinion your developed formats could be unified in that imaginary Haiku Document format, that is could be the base of the famous (X)HTML file that it’s the core of a hxd file?
As always if we’ve work done, don’t re-invent the wheel
@fano: I am following the debate keenly. What seems to be developing there, though, looks like it will be too resource-intensive for a mere yab program. We all have to work within our limitations. Still, if someone writes a real C++ word processor using that format, I will be on the sidelines writing utilities for it.
