Windows 10 become less stable than Haiku beta

Haiku get more chances to replace Windows :slight_smile:



Never, just s dream

i’d use haiku over windows 10 any day


Linux people have been making similar comments for years but it’s not true. There’s no way for Haiku to ever win the red-queen’s race against Microsoft but that doesn’t stop us from building the best operating system for ourselves anyway. Haiku has long since surpassed BeOS and the only reason we haven’t called it R1 yet is that we are working on making it a stable daily driver.


Windows has always generally sucked and there’s no way around that harsh reality.


It is possible Haiku could use this to its advantage, maybe. iirc, Mac adoption went up when Vista failed, and if Haiku could get its second beta and R1 out by 2022, with a mainstream browser like Chromium, I think Haiku would have a chance to make it as a serious alternative to offer before the next incarnation of Redmond’s stuff.

Haiku would need more mind share for that to happen. Like, name dropping it everywhere, not just on niche web sites. Getting some big name people in on it would be helpful, too, although I’m not sure how many copies of WordStar for DOS have been sold since GRRM mentioned that was his work setup of choice.

I don’t think so. Windows has rock solid API and ABI, so application made for Windows 95 can run on Windows 10. This is very important for business applications because it allows to develop application once and than distribute is in binary form, maintenance like in Linux is not required. Haiku also has this advantage. BeOS applications still run on Haiku.

Windows was generally fine until Windows 7, with Windows 8, Microsoft started to break GUI, introduce alternative API and GUI toolkit (UWP) that nobody need, add a lot of spyware and not needed applications like Cortana that can’t be uninstalled by proper way. Microsoft fired testing team, so Windows users that payed money to Microsoft are now testers. Windows software quality have decreased comparing to Windows 7 and various critical problems are not rare now. Situation is even worse because Microsoft introduced updates that can’t be disabled without hacks.

Microsoft is currently making Windows 10X that moves all Win32 applications inside virtual machine and use UWP as primary API, so now is not better than Linux with Windows virtual machine.

So I think Windows is starting to be unreliable to business and Haiku get some chances. Linux have no chances because their ideology is incompatible with business needs.

I’m not sure how Linux’s ‘ideology’ has stopped them from being used by many companies today, at least they’re strongly used in the server market. There are still Windows kiosks about but they don’t upgrade them because of the risks involved in the OS breaking their business software flow (Apps + settings) in the first place.

Desktop-wise, Linux still has no chance of success against Windows here and I doubt that Haiku could compete against Windows in its current version as a viable replacement. Google figured out a way into the desktop market with their Chromebooks and will probably replace ChromeOS and Android with Fuchsia. Haiku would need to start ‘somewhere’ to be recognised by users and then gain traction from there.

Perhaps running on ARM boards would be an interesting start which in the future, we could be featured on the Raspberry Pi downloads page as an alternative OS for Raspberry Pis? The main attractiveness of Haiku is its integrated system + kernel and its first class GUI support, which is similar to macOS and Windows.

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People were already thinking that Windows 95 was disappointing when it was released and BeOS could get a chance thanks to that. See what happened. It seems Windows just has a lot of inertia and will continue going on no matter what. Not because it’s good, but because it’s what people know.

What will stop Windows is not a replacement OS, it will be that less and less people are using computers, and moving to smartphones instead (or maybe tablets). But Microsoft is aware of this, and that’s why they are already refocusing. Their main business now is the Office suite, because Windows in offices and companies is not going away anytime soon.

Haiku has no chance until we have at least a somewhat working web browser. And no one is working on that, the issue is blissfully ignored by all devs.

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Feature creep and forcing unwanted changes on the end user will slowly weaken their (and macOS’s) inertia, opening opportunities for other OSs to grab market share.

As the market becomes more and more saturated, Windows will be less relevant and easier to replace. Linux is great because it saturates the market. Since Linux in itself is also saturated, it will itself open up opportunities for other non-saturated OSs such as FreeBSD and Haiku.

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How is it then, that it`s so widely used in business?

Bold statement, although I dont think its true (damn I have many old apps not working on Windows 7, not to mention 10).

It is primary used on server and embedded platforms, because on this platforms only non-extensible application specific software is running and it is maintained by IT specialists, not end users. Linux is rarely used on desktop and workstation platforms. Some country governments attempted to use Linux based distos on their PC, but later abandoned because maintence costs are much larger than Windows including Windows licence cost.

This is usually means that software don’t obey API and ABI specifications, causing undefined behavior. I use complex applications that was made for Windows 95 that still run on Windows 10.

So it is cost or ideology? Why Google or Disney used them on desktop?

Cool, but I guess it`s very rare complex app.

Extra cost caused by ideology (forcing building from sources and not taking binary compatibility and API stability in account, avoiding closed source software, preferring console interface/shell scripts/manual config editing instead of GUI configuration applications and configuration APIs).

Not sure about Disney, but Google is IT specialists company, so it has Linux specialists.

At least here in Germany the Linux distros are killed due to political ideology, e.g. LiMux: German Heise article.

And costs calculation was done by Accenture, a Microsoft certified partner…

China uses Linux throughout as well. For basic needs linux is fine… When you need specific software for your job then it does not work out.

Actually there is a list of examples of linux integration on Wikipedia. There are many success stories and also some cases that were reverted. But it does appear that there are many government departments and schools etc using Linux exclusively on the desktop.