Surprised by how functional Haiku has become

So, can’t rememeber the last time I installed Haiku, but I remember it didn’t work with my wifi, I had 1024x768 graphics only, basically, it was totally useless.

I installed one of the latest nightly builds last night while I was bored, and I was absolutely SHOCKED that when I booted, I had wireless connectivity to my wpa2 router, my screen could be changed to 1280x800 (native resolution), and it just plain worked (well, mostly, no sound).

Try installing open-sound. A quick google should lead you to the instructions. Other-wise just ask for a pointer to the needed thread and I am sure someone will find it for you.

Eh, not important. This is my test box that regularly gets wiped and reinstalled with whatever strikes my fancy at the time. 2 days before it got Haiku it had Frugal Linux for a few days, and before that Chakra linux. While I think Haiku is neat, the glacial pace of it’s improvement prevents me from dedicating any real time to making things work that currently don’t. If it ever gets to the point where it’s pretty much a fully usable OS, then maybe I’d take the time. But as is, no modern chrome, no modern firefox, no Skype, no point in my actually trying to USE the os. I’ll probably continue to install it every 6 months or so just to see the progress now that I know it’s gotten as far as it has, but until it’s at least in beta stages, I won’t consider putting it on anything that doesn’t get regularly reinstalled.

But there is Qupzilla available, which works fine and is modern: (when the upcoming revision 1.4.0 will be out, i will port it to Haiku)

If you’re looking for software take a look here:


I use the OS nearly full-time! The only other operating system I occasionally use is Linux, and this is only because Haiku doesn’t have HTML video support in the browser yet. But I am far more productive in Haiku than I will ever be in Linux. Especially now my Linux install has hosed itself. I find it difficult getting anything done from within the fsck environment.

The key to making Haiku possible is not to get yourself stuck in proprietary standards which lead you into dead-ends. Skype is one very good example of that. I have never used Skype and never will. It is closed-source, the protocol is secret, it goes out of its way to exclude access. We will likely never have Skype on Haiku. I think it’s a bloody disgrace that the beardy Linux geeks allow it on their platform - it goes completely against the GNU philosophy (not that I mind closed source software, but I do object to closed standards which lock you in)

There are open standards for voice-over-IP, like SIP. I don’t know if Haiku has a SIP application yet, I’m sure it will before long. Also I can just pick up my phone and make a call - even the extremely-closed previously state-owned telephone company use open standards, ensuring that I can use any telephone and make a call to anyone in the world without the other party having to use the same telephone company and brand of telephone.

Skype scares the fluff out of me. If it continues to grow and take over as a “telephone replacement”, we are all completely and utterly screwed. And I mean everyone.

The browser situation is a different matter. No excuses can be made here! For some people this is a show-stopper. If you’re used to being able to watch video in the browser, using Firefox addons and so on, then the “alpha” label will be a very accurate description of your experience. Qupzilla will help, but it crashes so hard and doesn’t fix the video problem. More developers are needed to assist with ports such as this, one way to get those developers is to get the OS out there and let people try it. The more people that learn about Haiku the more people with the necessary programming skills will come to the platform and bring us some fantastic bloatware apps like Firefox that take 5 minutes to load up and max out Haiku’s 64GB RAM limit.

Qupzilla on Haiku is very unstable due the current unstable QtWebKit revision which is available on Haiku. If we can get/port the newer QtWebKit 2.3 (or at least 2.2), Qupzilla, like any other QT browser, will be stable on Haiku.
QtWebKit 2.3 also support WebGL, but i’m not sure if this component could be available on Haiku.

So Qupzilla is not unstable, but the current QtWebKit :slight_smile:

This is promising ^^

Alas, I have no clue when it comes to porting applications so can’t really help with it. I can program some stuff, but as for complex build systems and massive software systems… shudder

What is needed to get HTML video supported in the QT browsers (or WebPositive for that matter?) Does WebKit expect to defer all of that to some external media subsystem?

I also wonder what happened to the Gnash port… it doesn’t seem to work on Alpha 4, and I can’t find any signs of progress with Google? Just having the old version run again would be better than nothing.

Skype might be proprietary, but my wife uses it while she is out of the country without spending tons of money. Until there’s an open source alternative that allows you to log in with your MSN email address so that she can remember it, skype it is. Seeing her face and hearing her voice is more important than any “I’m too good for proprietary software”. I like functional. If it’s proprietary, so be it. I’m not the one “stuck”, that’s everyone who’s refusing to take advantage of things that are out there simply because they don’t want to use a proprietary standard.

As far as browsers, I don’t enjoy a browser unless it has pop up blocker, advertisement blocker, easy one touch disable/enable of javascripting, mouse gestures, tabbed browsing. Does qupzilla do all these things? Chrome does. Firefox does. Without all that, what’s the point in using a browser for me? I won’t enjoy it. If I don’t enjoy it, it’s work, not pleasure.

So I say again, once the OS is to the point where I can install it and enjoy using it, I’ll keep it around, until then, it’s something to watch it’s progress every 6 months or so.

Yes: Qupzilla has all these features plus you can modify headers and activate do-not-track.
I suppose that you don’t know Qupzilla :slight_smile:

Yes: Qupzilla has all these features plus you can modify headers and activate do-not-track.
I suppose that you don’t know Qupzilla :slight_smile:[/quote]

Had never heard of it until it was mentioned in the post. I’ve literally never heard of anyone using it on linux (my main OS, Debian to be exact).

I might look at it depending on if I’m on that machine again anytime soon.