Moderation on haiku mailing list

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Hello,

does anyone know who does the moderation for the Haiku mailinglist?
An e-mail of mine went for moderation on 1 december and I have tried mailing the haiku moderators e-mail address after that, but got no response.

Thanks for any help,

Mark

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Hi Mark,

Haiku mailing lists are not moderated as far as I know. Emails that are sent from an email account that’s not subcribed to the list are sent to the administrator, who decides to post it or delete it. Maybe the administrator of the list has missed such a notification? Maybe it’s a case of @gmail.com vs. @googlemail.com. I keep getting these mix-ups, because both addresses arrive at my inbox, but for mailinglists it depends on which one I’ve used 10 years ago when I subscribed… sigh.

Regards,
Humdinger

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Hello Humdinger,

I checked if it was the right address as I sometimes make that mistake as well. Usually when I do that I also get an automated e-mail back that I sent an e-mail from an unsubscribed address, but I got nothing in this case. I asked for help at freelists and they said the message went for moderation, but did not know why and that I should send an e-mail to the haiku moderators. I did that, but got no response. I am a bit at a loss on how to get this fixed at the moment.

Thanks for your help,

Mark

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Hi Mark,

I’m asking around if anyone knows what might have happened to your post. Have you tried un- and re-subscribing to the mailinglist and resending it?

Regards,
Humdinger

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Hello Humdinger,

Not yet, but I am still getting e-mails from the list sent by other people, so I am still subscribed. If it is the only remaining option I will try it, but I would like to know what is causing this problem.

Thanks so far,

Mark

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The only filter we have is, as humdinger mentionned, to prevent unsubscribed users to send a message. The moderators don’t have much time to handle the list of rejected mails (which also includes a lot of spam). We don’t want to send a reply to spammers, because it tells them “hey, this address still points to something, keep trying”.

If you have multiple addresses or aliases, you can subscribe all of them, and set all but one to "vacation" mode. In this mode, you don't get any messages delivered, but you can still post to the list. (http://www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/30.html)

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I’ve had problems posting to haiku-development. I ended up having to email Axel, who said to email Freelists.org, who said haiku-development was set to moderate all new subscribers, which I was. Axel said this was to screen for trolling, but also that he would ask someone to look into it as perhaps moderation wasn’t working. It generally takes a few hours for my posts to go through, even responses to people responding to my posts (thereby disrupting flow), and I had to send my first post three times over several days before it went through. I was at a “one last try” point. Others might have stopped sooner. I’ve become quite hesitant to post to haiku-development (which is probably a good thing and possibly the intended outcome).

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Hello Pulkomandy,

as I mentioned to Humdinger, I checked that I used the same e-mail address that I am subscribed to the list with, so that should not be it.
Even then, if I send an inquiry about my message being rejected to the haiku moderators e-mail address, I would expect a reply.

Kind regards,

Mark

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Hi Mark.

Do you happen to have that moderator email address? I couldn’t find anything…

Regards,
Humdinger

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Hello Humdinger,

I got the e-mail address from someone at freelists after I asked where my e-mail had gone.
It is haiku-moderators at freelists dot org

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Hi Mark,

I’ve tried that moderator’s address, and got a response pretty quickly. The haiku, haiku-dev and haiku-inc lists are indeed moderated for newly subscribed users. Anyway, you emails never reached the moderators, for whatever reason…
I can only suggest to un- and re-subscribe and try to post once more.

Regards,
Humdinger

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Hello Humdinger,

I just tried that and that works.
Strange.

Thanks for the help,

Mark

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I managed to post one message and I got help from Pulkomandy, but my reply to thank him for his help did not (yet) arrive.
Could be that every message of mine needs to be approved for posting and it is still in the queue, but it is very frustrating this way.

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Hi Mark,

I understand that it can be a bit annoying, if one’s post doesn’t arrive at the mailing list immediately. But that’s the nature of moderation… Many dozens of subscribers were able to enjoy months of troll-free mailing lists, so it’s definitely working.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Humdinger

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Hello Humdinger,

there is hardly any traffic at all now. Not sure if you call that definitely working.
I feel the same as timkelly. I have to think twice if I really want to post to the mailing list and deal with the hassles of getting it posted and I don’t think that was the intention of moderating the list.

Anyway, my message got through now and I will give it a few more tries for some more questions I have.

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I am also quite sad that we had to moderate the list. I would have preferred if we could just get people to ignore the trolls, but that approach doesn’t seem to work. The trolls are so efficient that it eventually led most of the developers to leave the mailing lists as they spent too much time filtering the messages and gave up on reading most of it. A mailing list without the devs is not very useful, so we’ll have to do with the moderation :frowning: