I suggest to encourage software devellopers to NOT port their software to other platforms than haiku by using a label/logo like this :
If some useful softwares are only available on the Haiku so Haiku will become more popular.
i like the logo, and i’m not really sure about the port thing. though i do understand your point of view
i encourage you to think and analyze before talking.
Do you think that somebody has ported his haiku-application to other platforms?
Do you think it would be a problem???
Or perhaps you just fail to notice that 3rd-party development for haiku in fact doesnt exist? just some little small trivial programms that often are quite useless.
People dont have time/motivaiton to write/finish their haiku applications (like it’s in my case) and you already worry that one would port his app to another OS.
While this is an interesting idea, I highly discourage it. I suggest you to look into this article titled “Support Linux by Not Writing Linux-Only Software.”
Very bad idea, IMHO.
I would encourage devs to write platform-indipendent software, instead.
I think none of you should “encourage or discourage” any developer to do something. First become a dev youself before you can give advices to devs. To encourage somebody in doing something you should be yourself good in that domain if not very good. So I guess it’s more suited if you are more modest and make suggestions instead or spell-out wishes.
Since on haiku we dont use in fact a toolkit that is also available on other os’s, writing “platform-independent software” is also not really an option, even if somebody would like.
One could try to write more “easy to port” code, separating the gui part (and other haiku dependent code) better from the rest, but it would make things more complex and perhaps you would even need to limit yourself.
In conclusion. If you want to write on forum about more technical stuff please think more before you write and do some research. Please dont post any random idea just because you are bored and dont know what else to do. (Reading the BeBook is for sure a better idea).
Because like that, more and more devs will omit reading the forum too.
> but sometimes a shock therapy is the best solution to wake up at reality.
It’s also a sure way to poison the atmosphere of a forum. People having shouting matches is big turn-off for newcomers (and seasoned users). Who dares to make a suggestion or state their opinion in that climate?
Sticking to rational arguments may not persuade your immediate adversary (does “shock therapy”? I doubt it.), but everyone else reading the debate will benefit.
Regards,
Humdinger
ReactOS, MenuetOS, Kolibri, OSFree (sigh!) and now on Pyro too ! 
Not only, now i’m also “stimulating” libraries devs ! (Juce, N.A.S.PRO., etc.)
Oh, well, and multimedia software devs too: LightWorks, ScorchCrafter, etc…
Oh my, and i’ve also “infected” the DIY scene too ! (loudspeakers, HTPCs and Amps projects)
…and you know what ? All started from the Haiku target change (from multimedia-oriented os to general purpose os) ! …then - somehow - YOU are responsible for my attitude! :OOOO
Then, Cipri, who’s shocked now ? 
Seriously: I do really trust in the “bazaar” model, but i also noticed that today - in the communications era - paradoxically sometime informations flows slowly between devs.
(i’ve clearly understood it when i’ve promoted ReactOS between 3rd-party softwares devs: many of them replied “never heard of it”)
Then, once again, Cipri: don’t waste your precious (dev) time by replying to my posts, just get “something” that can be inspirational for you or simply ignore them.
Last but not least: i’m from Italy -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAJNFoHuLno
I guess the tons and tons of software ported to BeOS and Haiku from Linux and *BSD angered you so much that you just had to make a logo. My estimates are that over 80% of the software currently available for Haiku is either a full port from other OPEN-SOURCE UNIX operating systems or at least partly open-source.
And you want people to only develop software for Haiku? This is equivalent to North Korea accepting food aid from the USA and at the same time calling Americans ”their greatest enemy and sole reason for their famine”.
What you are suggesting is comparable with ”juche” - the North Korean ideology that preaches self-reliance. That worked wonders for the DPRK, so why shouldn’t it work for Haiku, right? As someone above already pointed our, stop and think for a second before you act.
Stop these foolish campaigns and do something useful.
Wow. Don’t you all think your reactions are a bit extreme. Sure, oueshcousin’s idea is quite misguided. But that doesn’t make him Kim Yong Ill’s nerdy brother. There are rational reasons against such a logo. Why not stick to these instead of putting a - maybe overenthusiastic - user in his place?
Regards,
Humdinger
Wow. Don’t you all think your reactions are a bit extreme.
yes. but sometimes a shock therapy is the best solution to wake up at reality.
And forart.it for example really needs it, he is posting such “bad/uselesss/unrealistic ideas/opinions” (i dont know a better expression) constantly since many years on forums of haiku, syllable, sky-os. Some devs try to tell him nicely “we dont have enough man power to do that”, because they dont want to hurt his feelings, but i think in such cases people would do him a great favour telling him the truth and their real opinion.
I think criticism is very important, because from it you can learn. If somebody gives you nice answeres that pleae you, you learn nothing, but from criticism you can learn sometimes something.
I also try myself to take criticism always as an “information/opinion” and not as an insult.
(And that’s i also try to encourage people to criticize my applicaitons, and tell me what they think is bad about them)
yes forart.it, i saw you on pyro-os too and was thinking “not again him and this useless/non-realistic ideas”.
I really dont understand it, you are since many years around on a lot of forums and you still dont have a “feeling” for suggesting something usefull/realistic.
By the way, with the raspberry pi you can build now your “low resources” and “cheap” computer with a decent OS (fedora).
uhm… I do like AMD64 platform, instead ! 
Anyway, you’re demonstrating that my approach works…
Again, i’m not a dev, i’m a PR !
Do we need a regulation ? Of course, I agree. (i still remember an old post on ReactOS about this…)
have to go. stay tuned !
“Haiku native” would be a better way of putting it.
Haiku desperately needs more native applications that demonstrate the strengths of the OS.
Yes, that’s true, but how to get 3rd party developers? The user-base for haiku seems to be pretty small.
The chess game i wrote for haiku, with some more improvements (about one month of work) could be easily better than any open source chess game (like xboard, eboard,…). There are just a few people using it. If I would have written such an applicaiton for linux, i’m sure it would have been a success being used my tausends of people.
I have no idea how haiku could manage to attrack more 3rd party devs.
Karl (haikuware) tried to support as much as he could , but it was still not a success.
A “haiku native” logo, wouldnt change much (or anything), since anyway as good as all apps for haiku that are used by people are…native.
The real problem is… how to get more devs , to write really good applications for haiku.
One (strange) idea could be, … that haiku offers full time jobs and advertising on many tech sites, that they offer full time jobs. Of course haiku can not afford to spend much money each month… but I still think that we could find full time developers working for… 300-500 euro a month. Imagine there are enough countries like china, russia… where people earn a month… about 100 euro. Also in countries like romania, that is member of EU, there are enough people earning just 150 euro a month.
Yes, that’s true, but how to get 3rd party developers? The user-base for haiku seems to be pretty small.
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A “haiku native” logo, wouldnt change much (or anything), since anyway as good as all apps for haiku that are used by people are…native.
The real problem is… how to get more devs , to write really good applications for haiku.
One (strange) idea could be, … that haiku offers full time jobs and advertising on many tech sites, that they offer full time jobs.
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Another idea would be a haiku calendar that showed the selling points of the OS. A calendar would be a really subtle and inexpensive way to advertise. Perhaps someone could make one.
A chess game ? A (phisical) calendar ?
Are you serious ?
The point is exactly this: Haiku needs a so-called “killer application” !
Linux has Apache, Windows has Office and OSX has Photoshop.
Then ask yourself: what people needs nowdays ?
Quite easy to tell, IMHO: just look @ YouTube & DVB-T spreading… more and more people needs to create audiovisual contents (I’ve read an official report - by our national statistic institute called ISTAT - which emphasizes that young people creativity is moving on the front of video-content creation: http://www.istat.it/it/archivio/5584).
Then, IMHO, Haiku could be the answer to this need.
You could argue that “is not simple”, but there are various “signs” that portend a possible mass participation… LightWorks is going open source, WebM, GoogleTV, etc.
Of course it’s just my opinion, but I think - considering the difficulty of the goal - there is no time to lose.
Hope that inspires.
"A chess game ?"
https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/apps_idea_poker_online_chess_online
The community asked and cipri had the skills to make it.
“A (phisical) calendar ? Are you serious ?
The point is exactly this: Haiku needs a so-called “killer application” !”
You do have a point there. But let me explain my reason. The community wont come until the apps come. The apps wont come until 3rd party devs come. The 3rd party devs won’t come unless they think they could sell their app in the market. OS or the apps, which comes first.
We need some way to show the 3rd party devs that the os is here, so that they can start making apps. We need to show the strong points of the os and I think that a one page flyer is simply too small to show what windows doesn’t have. There is the deskbar, which only uses the space it needs, as opposed to windows and mac os whose start menu take up the entire screen. There is the live queries, the bfs which removes the need for sql. There is the replicants and the zoom button which zooms to the preferred bigger size instead of wasting screen space by maximizing the app. There is stack and tile which helps window organization.
I think there is so much more that we could be advertising. Haiku has features that windows probably never will. If all these feature were advertised in a calendar, there is small chance that the calendar would get tossed on a desktop like a flyer or a brochure.
btw, both photoshop and ms office are avaiable for both macs and pcs.
Then please, i really wanna understand which is (or will be) the Haiku killer app.
Games ? I doubt that Haiku can beat consoles (PS, Xbox, etc.), sincerly.
BTW there are some intersting projects about open source consolle alternatives:
http://openpandora.org/ (Linux)
http://belogic.com/uzebox/
http://www.ladyada.net/make/fuzebox/
…
But, in this case, Haiku should switch more to games, IMHO.
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The chess game i wrote for haiku, with some more improvements (about one month of work) could be easily better than any open source chess game (like xboard, eboard,…). There are just a few people using it. If I would have written such an applicaiton for linux, i’m sure it would have been a success being used my tausends of people…[/quote]
I doubt that if you programmed it to require an un-released development version of linux, as your game requires for Haiku, that it would be a success. The haiku user base uses r1a3 at the moment. Any newer nightly image is only used by testers and developers. To develop an app and require un-released code to run it on, then complain of the small user base is not realistic.
Haiku does indeed have a small user base and it needs to increase to attract 3rd party devs. This will only happen when Haiku can drop the scarry alpha or beta labels. Most computer users are familiar with these terms, and they mean “STAY AWAY AT ALL COST if you know what is good for you.”
Once we get out of the alpha / beta stage we will start to attract users and by proxy 3rd party developers.