Audio issues with r1beta4

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#1

Evening, gang.

I seem to be having mixed success with Haiku over the last 2-3 years…!

r1beta2, I had audio but no video.

r1beta 3 didn’t want to know. At all. Didn’t matter how I tried to boot it, it kept dropping me out to a console with all kinds of errors.

r1beta4, well…we seem to be making SOME progress. I finally have video…but now audio has gone AWOL. Bear in mind, all three of these attempts have been made on exactly the same hardware; an HP Pavilion desktop rig…3.7 GHz 9th-gen Pentium ‘Gold’ G5400, with 32GB RAM, 5TB + of storage, and an Nvidia GT710 discrete GPU.

Haiku doesn’t recognise the onboard Intel HDA sound chip, nor does it recognise my Logitech USB headphones, either. Am I missing something here? Does Haiku not have a way to detect and/or select the “default” sound card? I’ve trawled through the settings every which way I can, but can’t unearth anything that might configure audio at all.

And what’s with the UVC driver?

As for “positives”, well; WebPositive still won’t display YouTube videos, but it seems Otter will quite happily. I will say, the default media player works a treat, and ‘Aspect’ settings actually do something, unlike MPlayer, VLC or most of the other available media players. And that’s not just in Haiku; these same settings don’t seem to do anything in Puppy, either!

Now if only I could sort out audio, Haiku is coming very close to finally being something I could see myself using on a regular daily basis…

Any ideas, guys?

Mike. :neutral_face:

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#2

Would it possible to install a supported cheap PCI sound card?

#3

It probably would, but seeing he had sound in beta 1, wouldn’t it make more sense to find out what happened in Haiku that broke the sound?

#4

Note that if there’s an USB audio driver, it isn’t included by default in builds because it is incomplete and only supports devices respecting 1.0 spec.
So I would unplug USB headphone before booting and see if it is better.
With some HDA chips, only headphones jack is producing sound, I would also check that. You should open a bug on Trac with the results of your experimentation. Don’t forget to add result of listdev output and a syslog.

#5

How would that help with the driver not being included? Can we stop suggesting random “magic” things to users?

For soundcards that don’t work with the HDA driver, there’s a chance they will work with the alternative opensound driver. Explanations on how to install opensound: chötrin's wiki: haiku.

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#6

Lolol!! I constantly have to keep admonishing members on the Puppy Linux Forum, where I moderate. Some of the things folks come out with are unreal…

Right. OK. I’ll give this opensound OSS driver a look-see. I’ve installed it from the Depot, so that bit’s done. Now, about this blacklisting; how do we actually do this here? Under Puppy, we’d either create a specific text file, or add to an existing one in a specific location. We’d then re-boot, and perform

depmod -a

…but I gather this works a bit differently?

Mike. :wink:

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#7

The file format is different but the idea is the same.

Create a file named /boot/system/settings/packages

With this content:

Package haiku {
EntryBlacklist {
add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/hda
add-ons/media/hmulti_audio.media_addon
add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/hmulti/hda
}
}

and reboot your system. Then you can check in Media preferences if it made a difference and you may have to select the correct output there.

There is no command like depmod to run, the modules are scanned and loaded on every boot automatically.

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#8

Right you are. Cheers for that. Leave it with me and I’ll see what happens. May be a while; we’ve got the decorators in ATM, repairing some water-damage on an insurance claim, so I’m all over the place presently!

(BTW - I like Epiphany (Web)! Looks like the best browser of the lot so far. WebPositive’s OK, but it does have limitations. I’m a bit of a browser nut; I package no end of the things in ‘portable’ format for the Puppy community, so I’m afraid it makes me rather more critical than most…)

Mike. :wink:

#9

Regarding HDA audio, you may have to experiment with cold boot / hot reboot to get sound working. Eg. On one of my laptops, sound works after I reboot from another system. Desktop is opposite.

#10

Cor. Talk about “sod’s law”…!

I created the file as directed, and re-booted. NOW, the audio mixer had completely disappeared…even the Deskbar volume control was “greyed-out”. So…

…I removed it, and re-booted again. Okay; now the volume control was showing again. So I did a bit more in-depth digging.

Turns out the sound chip had been recognised all along. What threw me out was quite simple, really; it seems that on every boot, for some reason the system re-sets the “Front” volume control to 0. No “PCM” here, but I have to set both ‘Front’ AND ‘PCM’ to max in Puppy anyway…then the ‘Master’ control is adjusted via the tray icon.

As it is, I DO now have both sound AND video. Massive improvement, and means that finally I can now realistically spend time in Haiku as a viable OS.

Thanks for the suggestions, AND your patience, guys. Cheers!

Onwards & upwards… :smiley:

Mike. :wink:

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#11

Spoke too soon! I definitely had audio while watching a Linus TechTips video on YouTube earlier, but the issue seems to be that every time I turn my back on the mixer controls in ‘Media’, everything resets to zero again…

(grrr…)

What I am doing wrong here? Why audio once earlier, and now it refuses to behave again? Do I need to remove the OSS package again? Is there like a ‘lock’ or ‘Set’ control that I’m overlooking…and why is it constantly re-setting itself??

Arrgh!

Mike. :neutral_face:

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#12

If you are using the built-in HDA driver, yes, you should remove the package because they conflict with each other.

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#13

Okay, well; that makes sense, especially if they’re now both loaded, and there’s no blacklist to tell the kernel what’s going on.

I’ll give that a try, and see what happens…

Mike. :wink:

#14

Yay! Success…

Removed the OSS driver. First re-boot, still misbehaving & losing settings. However; one of the other posters was bang on the nail about multiple re-boots sometimes being required. On the second re-boot, levels in ‘Media’ NOW hold, and retain the setting I left them on…

Multiple re-boots later, everything’s as sweet as a nut. Still stays where I left it at the previous shutdown.

Things are looking up!

Mike. :grin:

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